Most disturbing thing I learned in chatroom so far this week - "killing of innocent people is wrong" - is not a universally held moral truth. Sadly only the americans participating in the chat room found the idea that killing innocent people is wrong to be an absolute moral truth.
In discussions with chat-room-americans try to keep in mind that high levels of intellect, experience, reasoning and expertise are not equal to nor greater than the opinions expressed by those in the chat room.
So . . . if you have the four above characteristics and attempt to explain your viewpoint you will receive no respect if you disagree with someone, because you are showing a difference of opinion not presenting a better argument.
Until you jump on board the patriot bandwagon you are only deserving of ridicule for proposing a thought different from anything heard before in the chat room.
Now an individual in america is one person or one corporation which believes, that is, has unshakable faith in the power of nondiscernment and group think.
Equality of the people means you have two choices: right or wrong because there is nothing in between and nothing at the edges.
When the bullying group teaches you a lesson by team insults, and you lose your cool when they start deriding "common sense"- don't be surprised - YOU will be the one tossed from the chat room for calling them "Bulls-t As-oles," however accurate that may be.
(Originally posted at http://sixsentences.ning.com/profiles/blogs/individualism-and-equality-of)
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I agree, in a debate all it
I agree, in a debate all it takes is a few lost brain cells to render the argument void Dx An argument has to be structured and meaningful, rather than simply insulting and for the sake of 'winning'. It's a sad world when a phrase like "killing of innocent people is wrong", which sounds common-sensical and ethical is actually disagreed with D:
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Thanks for your words of support, Stephanie!
I notice that many think the idea of chats are to make trouble. Or when they know nothing about a subject yet no one agrees with them (gee, I wonder why!) they must act out.
Well, psychologists must learn a lot just listening in to chats!
Yeah that must be it; that's
Yeah that must be it; that's what the internet is generally for these days - it's just a big pool for people to bitch at each other in lol, people love drama.
It's true heh, I study Social Cognition in university and when I'm online I cant help but analyse the behaviour of people like that.
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Vickie--When I read this, all I could think was how many innocent people the U.S. has killed down through the years. Of course, it is wrong.
I consider myself very patriotic (whether other people do or not). I respect the flag and what it stands for. I revere the constituion--especially the Bill of Rights. I want jobs, good homes, good health care, and educational opportunities for every citizen in our nation. In my opinion, that makes me patriotic.
But it breaks my heart that we have often killed unneccesarily as if other people were not as valuable as we are. (Of course, we have also often helped other people outside the nation very generously. I am proud of that--but so sorry for innocent people that have been killed through poor policy, poor planning, accidents, or just not caring.)
I am not sure whether killing innocents is sometimes necessary or not, and I do not know how to know. I have been a pacifist, and I have not been a pacifist. I guess I am a war agnostic. I am glad we are not under British rule. But I am so sorry for what we did to the Indians during that war--and later. I still wonder if we should have not fought the Civil War in this country with its horrible deaths and injuries. But I am so glad we finally stopped the abomination of slavery. And it is good that the Union stayed united. But that war was horrible beyond our imagainations--as I guess all wars are. Did we bomb Europe unnecessarily during WWII? But thank God and those military folk who gave their lives or came home as the greatest generation for Hitler was stopped. Why are we overseas with troups now? Intentionally or not, there will be innocents killed. Will the world be better or worse for it?
Thank you so much for this comment.
Sue, I have read your comment several times and really appreciate your thoughts. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.
I feel very certain that the killing of innocent people is not necessary. I think that this is something not accepted only in the culture of the United States of America.
I also don't feel that the death penalty is appropriate. If a person murders another person, they become a murderer. Don't think that is something for us to decide. I admire the power of forgiveness people have shown when they don't want someone executed in the name of their murdered loved one.
Of course, Htler had to be stopped. but the bombings of innocent people in German towns was not necessary.
And the use of atomic weapons in Japan, not necessary.
Human Beings were born with a brain in their head and the ability to empathize and be compassionate. Human Beings weren't born with a weapon protruding from their forehead in case they wanted to kill someone.
Pacifism has it's place, but once situations get thoroughly out of hand, military solutions are the only possible way to "solve" a problem and protect the innocent.
Unfortunately with the popularity of making as much money as possible from selling weapons - the trend seems to be growing towards increased violence instead of less violence.
I think we are patriotic because we think and try to discern what is the best path to take.
Thanks for responding to my piece!